Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 120

02/16/2005 01:00 PM House JUDICIARY


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01:15:28 PM Start
01:16:16 PM HB97
01:31:58 PM Department of Health & Social Services, Division of Juvenile Justice
02:16:12 PM HB88
03:05:08 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Overview: Dept. of Health & Social TELECONFERENCED
Services, Div. of Juvenile Justice
+= HB 88 OFFENSES BY MINORS/AGAINST TEACHERS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 88(JUD) Out of Committee
+ HB 97 OATHS; NOTARIES PUBLIC; STATE SEAL TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 97(JUD) Out of Committee
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
HB 97 - OATHS; NOTARIES PUBLIC; STATE SEAL                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:16:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE  announced that the  first order of  business would                                                               
be HOUSE BILL  NO. 97, "An Act relating to  the authority to take                                                               
oaths,  affirmations,  and  acknowledgments   in  the  state,  to                                                               
notarizations, to verifications, to  acknowledgments, to fees for                                                               
issuing certificates with  the seal of the state  affixed, and to                                                               
notaries public; and  providing for an effective  date."  [Before                                                               
the committee was CSHB 97(STA).]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:16:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN WESTAD, Intern, Office of  the Lieutenant Governor, relayed                                                               
that HB 97 would make  changes to Alaska's notary statutes, which                                                               
have  not been  updated  since  1961.   These  changes have  been                                                               
proposed  by   Alaska's  notaries   working  together   with  the                                                               
Lieutenant  Governor's  office, and  are  outlined  in a  handout                                                               
titled, "Notary  Statue Comparison  - CSHB 98(STA)",  which lists                                                               
the  following categories:    Qualifications,  Term, Fees,  Bond,                                                               
Commission Types,  Commission Revocation,  Notary Data,  And Non-                                                               
Commissioned Notaries.   With regard to  qualifications, the bill                                                               
proposes to lower the minimum age  requirement to 18 - one of the                                                               
reasons  for  doing this  is  to  allow  bank tellers  to  become                                                               
notaries public  - and also  proposes to require  notaries public                                                               
to  reside  legally in  the  U.S.  and  not  be convicted  of  or                                                               
incarcerated for a felony within 10 years of application.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WESTAD said  that with regard to terms,  notaries public will                                                               
continue to serve a term of  four years, but the bill proposes to                                                               
create  limited governmental  notaries public  commissions, which                                                               
will be  linked with  one's position as  a government  worker and                                                               
will  end  when  one's  job  ends.   With  regard  to  fees,  the                                                               
application  fee for  non-state government  notaries will  remain                                                               
the  same  -  $40  -  but  the  fee  for  a  Lieutenant  Governor                                                               
certificate will increase  from $2 to $5.  With  regard to bonds,                                                               
the requirement will remain the  same.  With regard to commission                                                               
types, notaries  public will  continue to  serve four  years, but                                                               
limited governmental notaries  public will serve as  long as they                                                               
hold  their governmental  positions.   With regard  to commission                                                               
revocation, the  bill proposes to  allow the  Lieutenant Governor                                                               
to revoke a  commission for good cause via  a formal disciplinary                                                               
procedure using  the administrative hearing office.   With regard                                                               
to notary  data, the bill  proposes that the  Lieutenant Governor                                                               
may  collect information  in addition  to that  which is  already                                                               
gathered and made public.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:19:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  asked why a  notary must reapply  every four                                                               
years,  and whether  anyone  who has  reapplied  has been  turned                                                               
down.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT  CLARK,  Notary  Commission Administrator,  Office  of  the                                                               
Lieutenant   Governor,  remarked   that   current  law   requires                                                               
reapplication every four  years, and that "there's  not very many                                                               
people, if any," that have ever been denied.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNETTE  KREITZER,  Chief  of Staff,  Office  of  the  Lieutenant                                                               
Governor,  said that  in  creating the  bill,  it was  thoroughly                                                               
vetted amongst  current notaries  and other industry  groups, and                                                               
changing the  length of term didn't  seem to be an  issue, so the                                                               
bill keeps the term at four years.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA surmised  that  increasing the  length of  a                                                               
notary's term  could reduce the state's  paperwork, and suggested                                                               
that  the  lieutenant  governor's   office  pursue  that  concept                                                               
further.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. KREITZER  said that  point is well  taken and  the lieutenant                                                               
governor's office  will continue  to consider  that concept.   At                                                               
this point,  however, even though  a version of the  current bill                                                               
has been proposed [several] times, it  has not yet passed, and so                                                               
the lieutenant  governor's office would  like to see  the current                                                               
proposal adopted  before considering other changes.   In response                                                               
to further questions, she relayed  that the increase in licensing                                                               
fees for Lieutenant Governor certificates  is simply a reflection                                                               
of the  higher cost of  doing business  since 1961, and  that Mr.                                                               
Clark has done research to justify the proposed $3 increase.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:24:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  [although  the  following  alterations                                                               
were already  incorporated into  CSHB 97(STA)]  made a  motion to                                                               
adopt  Amendment 1,  to incorporate  alterations detailed  by the                                                               
drafter in a memo dated 1/28/05:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     replace   commas  with   semicolons   in  proposed   AS                                                                    
     44.50.032(b)(2) and  (c)(2); add "; delegation"  to the                                                                    
     catchline of proposed  AS 44.50.069; remove parentheses                                                                    
     and add  "created under"  to proposed  AS 44.50.069(e);                                                                    
     rewrite the  definition of "notary public"  in proposed                                                                    
     AS 44.50.200(1) to  be more precise with  regard to the                                                                    
     cross-referenced sections.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE suggested making Amendment 1 conceptual.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. KREITZER indicated that the  lieutenant Governor's office has                                                               
no objections to the motion.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:27:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE  asked  whether   there  were  any  objections  to                                                               
[Conceptual]  Amendment   1.     There  being   none,  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG, referring to  a change suggested by the                                                               
drafter  in  the aforementioned  memo,  made  a motion  to  adopt                                                               
Amendment 2, to delete "shall" and  insert "may" on page 11, line                                                               
9.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. KREITZER indicated that the lieutenant governor's office has                                                                
no objections to Amendment 2.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE asked whether there were any further objections to                                                                
Amendment 2.  There being none, Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:29:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG made a motion to adopt Amendment 3,                                                                    
labeled 24-GH1008\F.1, Luckhaupt, 2/16/05, which read:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 11, line 22, following "handwriting":                                                                                 
          Insert "or by electronic means as authorized by                                                                   
     regulations adopted by the lieutenant governor"                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 13, lines 14 - 15:                                                                                                    
          Delete "; a notary public may not sign through                                                                        
     the  use  of a  facsimile  stamp  or an  electronic  or                                                                    
     graphic printing method"                                                                                                   
          Insert ", or sign an electronic document by                                                                           
     electronic means  as authorized by  regulations adopted                                                                    
     by the lieutenant governor"                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 13, line 19:                                                                                                          
          Following "official":                                                                                                 
          Insert "handwritten"                                                                                                  
          Following "signature":                                                                                                
          Insert "and information regarding the notary                                                                          
     public's electronic signature"                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Page 13, following line 19:                                                                                                
     Insert a new subsection to read:                                                                                           
          "(c)  Within 10 days after the security of a                                                                          
     notary   public's   electronic   signature   has   been                                                                    
     compromised,  the  notary   public  shall  provide  the                                                                    
     lieutenant governor with  written notification that the                                                                    
     signature  has  been  compromised.   After  the  notary                                                                    
     public has  provided the  lieutenant governor  with the                                                                    
     notification,  the  notary  public  shall  provide  the                                                                    
     lieutenant  governor  with any  additional  information                                                                    
     that  the   lieutenant  governor  requests   about  the                                                                    
     compromise of the signature."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 13, line 28:                                                                                                          
          Delete "or"                                                                                                           
          Insert ","                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 13, line 30, following "length":                                                                                      
          Insert ", or may be an electronic form as                                                                             
     authorized  by regulations  adopted  by the  lieutenant                                                                    
     governor"                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 13, line 31, through page 14, line 1:                                                                                 
          Delete "in a secure area"                                                                                             
          Insert "secure and"                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 14, line 2, following "lost,":                                                                                        
          Insert "or the security of the notary public's                                                                        
     official electronic seal is compromised,"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 14, line 4:                                                                                                           
          Delete "or"                                                                                                           
          Insert ","                                                                                                            
          Following "loss":                                                                                                     
          Insert ", or compromised security.  After the                                                                         
     notary  public  has  provided the  lieutenant  governor                                                                    
     with the notification, the  notary public shall provide                                                                    
     the   lieutenant    governor   with    any   additional                                                                    
     information  that  the   lieutenant  governor  requests                                                                    
     about the compromise of the seal"                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 14, line 12:                                                                                                          
          Delete "A"                                                                                                            
          Insert "With regard to each paper document being                                                                      
     notarized, a"                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 14, line 15:                                                                                                          
          Delete "of each paper document notarized,"                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 14, line 18:                                                                                                          
          Delete "Illegible"                                                                                                    
          Insert   "For   a    notarized   paper   document,                                                                    
     illegible"                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 14, following line 23:                                                                                                
     Insert a new subsection to read:                                                                                           
          "(d)  A notary public may use a seal in                                                                               
     electronic  form on  electronic documents  notarized by                                                                    
     the notary public as  authorized by regulations adopted                                                                    
     by the lieutenant governor.   The seal shall be affixed                                                                    
     only at the time the notarial act is performed."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 15, line 14, following "signature":                                                                                   
          Insert "and information regarding the notary                                                                          
     public's electronic signature"                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  said Amendment 3  was crafted so  as to                                                               
allow the  use of electronic  notarizations when  that technology                                                               
becomes available.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE asked whether there  were any further objections to                                                               
Amendment 3.  There being none, Amendment 3 was adopted.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:30:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GARA  asked   whether   initial  or   subsequent                                                               
applications to become a notary must be done in person.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. CLARK said it can be done  by mail, but the signature must be                                                               
notarized as must the oath on the notary bond.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG disclosed that he is a notary.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE, after  ascertaining that  no one  else wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HB 97.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:31:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  moved  to   report  CSHB  97(STA),  as                                                               
amended,  out of  committee with  individual recommendations  and                                                               
the accompanying  fiscal notes.   There being no  objection, CSHB
97(JUD)   was  reported   from  the   House  Judiciary   Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      

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